277: Unabridged Interview: Kristin Neff
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Lee recommends the Real Organic podcast for deeper insight into food systems.
“She’s also the author of the book Self‑Compassion: The Proven Power of Being Kind to Yourself, and most recently, Fierce Self‑Compassion: How Women Can Harness Kindness to Speak Up, Claim Their Power, and Thrive.”
Lee recommends Kristin’s books on self‑compassion.
“Self‑esteem's a fair‑weather friend, right? It's there for us at the good times, but it deserts us when times get tough.”
Kristin argues that self‑esteem is unreliable because it depends on external success.
“The research is just phenomenally powerful in terms of showing that if you can relate to your difficulties with compassion as opposed to harsh judgment or shame or feelings of isolation, it makes us much stronger and healthier mentally and physically, actually.”
Studies show self‑compassion improves mental and physical health.
“But I think oftentimes in the Christian tradition, we're so fearful of selfishness that we haven't taught— I don't think we've done a sufficient job of teaching this self-compassion that you're pointing to.”
Lee C. Camp believes the Christian tradition has neglected teaching self‑compassion due to fear of selfishness.
“the more compassion flows inward, the more it can flow outward.”
Neff states that increasing inward compassion enables greater outward compassion.
“the research is very clear on this, you reduce burnout and you increase your ability to be satisfied with being a caregiver as opposed to having it exhaust and drain you.”
Research shows self‑compassion reduces caregiver burnout and increases satisfaction.
“But so what happens with self‑pity, the reason we talk about wallowing in self‑pity is because we become completely absorbed by the sadness.”
Self‑pity consumes a person, erasing perspective and leading to being lost in sadness.
“So there are some cultural differences. So for instance, Anglo‑Saxon cultures tend to be more self‑critical, kind of that Puritan background.”
Anglo‑Saxon cultures are more self‑critical due to a Puritan heritage.
“So what that means is women feel less entitled to meet their needs, whereas men actually, they're a little more self‑compassionate because, yeah, I deserve some compassion too.”
Women are generally less self‑compassionate than men because of gender‑role socialization.
“I did teach a group of Catholic nuns once about self‑compassion though. And it's so funny, they totally got it. They just, they just interpreted everything I said through the lens of Jesus.”
Neff taught Catholic nuns self‑compassion, and they embraced it by framing it through Jesus’ love.
“The research shows it's the exact opposite. So, um, so first of all, harsh criticism does kind of work as a motivator, just as like with our kids, like harsh punishment and really, you know, scaring our child into doing something, it kind of works.”
Research indicates harsh criticism may motivate briefly but has many negative side effects.
“he had gone golfing one day with his wife Amy Grant and this new guy that he'd met or was becoming friends with, as I recollect the story, who was a was a psychologist, and he lost his temper playing golf.”
Lee recounts Vince Gill losing his temper while golfing with Amy Grant and a psychologist.
“the problem with men, the way they're socialized is they aren't allowed to be tender.”
She claims male socialization discourages tenderness.
“people dislike really competent, powerful women, even though they need to be competent and powerful to get to leadership positions. People assume that a competent, powerful woman isn't nurturing, and people like nurturing women.”
Research shows competent women face bias unless they also display nurturing traits.
“maybe I need to draw my boundaries a little firmer. Maybe I need to speak up a little more.”
She advises consciously checking and strengthening personal boundaries and speaking up when needed.